How the hell did I miss all of these going ons? I'm a part of fanlib.com, was completely tickled pink when they invited me, but now . . . *frets*
If I'd gotten an invite, I'd have jumped right over there without thinking twice about it. :-/
This is all over my flist, I'm extremely glad I took some time to read it because it's very well set out and concise. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
Wow, that's incredibly comprehensive. And a bit nerve-wracking -- do we want fanfiction's legal gray area exposed to close public scrutiny by a site dedicated to doing the one thing we're told we can never do -- make a profit?
Thank you so much! I've been seeing mentions on my flist but no actual explanations. This makes it all clear.
I found this link through cryogenia
, and now must post this to my flist/fandom as well. You've done a great job of putting this together--thank you for your labor!
Never thought about fandom as being more than for fun--but being talked down to and guided to the slaughter house (with that TOS, my god) like a little lamb does not sit well with me. :/
Thanks for the warning and heads-up!
You're welcome. Please do spread the word, thanks.
2007-05-23 12:56 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for this summary. :-) I've put a link to this entry in my own LJ - since I saw you gave permission to do so to other LJs as well - and hope it's okay. If not, let me know and I'm going to remove the entry.
Feel welcome to link to it, and thank you.
I am away from the internet for a few days and look at what I miss! I hadn't heard anything about FanLib, so thank you for providing such a fair assessment! :) As someone who has had to defend fan fiction on multiple occasions, I get a little tiffed when others bad-mouth, or in this case try to exploit a culture they know little about. Thank you for all your valuable information! I may have to link this in my LJ, it's something I think a lot of people should read. Well done! :)
This exploded very, very fast. I've been as gentle as I could be, though I'm so grateful to cheshyre
for her research which showed a very different picture.
Thank you so much for this wonderful summary!
I think what annoyed (and yet amused, somehow) me most was his line of argument - "we work 16 hours a day", "I have a son", "we answer your questions at 3 am on a Sunday". Y'know what, Mr Williams - you can work 24/7 on something and it can still turn out to be crap. Yep, even if you're a Daddy.
I think what annoyed (and yet amused, somehow) me most was his line of argument - "we work 16 hours a day", "I have a son", "we answer your questions at 3 am on a Sunday".Teresa Nielsen Hayden felt the same way
When I first got their email I thought they had a licensing agreement of some sort, but then it just turned out to be just another archive. Frankly, I didn't notice the ads back in March (my pop-up blocker seems to work). FanLib should just back out now and stop trying to move this forward.Now it's hit the BBC
So I should reply to everyone else but skip you? *g* (I-I can't.)
"Yet parody of living authors' works is accepted. Is a story where Frodo is gay a parody?"
Just FYI, Tolkien is dead. :)
He is? Nooooooooo...! Just kidding, but good point.
I don't think FanLib's going to be winning any popularity contests this week.
Thanks for laying it out so clearly. Like many others, I had heard rustles about this, but was trying to put the pieces together on my own, and coming up with an incomplete picture.
Fanlib seem to be doing an awful lot of backing and filling -- "No, we didn't really mean that, and anyway, we never said it." It is not doing anything to raise confidence in their good intentions. It seems quite clear where their priorities are.
And just as a funny -- that ad with the 98-lb weakling and the muscleman? My initial reaction to it was "If you join FanLib, they send the scary enforcers to your house." Not, I think, what they were hoping for. *g*
You're welcome. I compiled the article from all over metafandom
My favorite quote is still Chris Williams saying, "Fan fiction is my mission in life." It just makes me smile every time.
If they have licensing agreements this would be a completely different story.
Thank you for this article. I'm debating whether I should break my normal lethargy to crosslink it -- I hate to do so without adding content of my own tho.
I hope you do, because this site is bad news. It's bad for fanfiction writers because of the legal issues. Their new TOS is even worse.
It's also bad for screenwriters because of the possible trend towards forcing them to edit fan scripts instead of producing their own material -- who needs to pay a writer when fans will do it for free?
Do they even need that information to port stories?
This is one of those basics. You never give people your password (or the pin number to your bank account, or keys to your front door...).
ok, this is just a big NO. You don't make money off fanfiction. I knew this even back when I first HEARD about fanfiction. [It seems like a big "DUH" but I guess I'm just well informed?]
Seeing as I have nothing much to add, I'll just link this on my LJ.
Thank you for the warning.
Seeing as I have nothing much to add, I'll just link this on my LJ.
Thank you. It's our cardinal rule, and how many people deal with the ethics of writing another author's characters. Doing it for no profit is just one step away from "writing for the drawer."
I was advised to read this by someone on my FList and I'm so glad I did. I hadn't heard much about this in my little corner of the Buffyverse, as we've been having other kerfluffles which occur with regularity when the Hellmouth explodes in May.
Thank you for painting such a concise and balanced portrait; it is very much appreciated. I'll be sure to spread the word.
Again, sincere thanks.
You're welcome, though this is just a compilation of what other people have said in metafandom
over the last week. Now I'm waiting for the reaction from the fans to Chris Williams' response to criticism.
Fanlib owners really do not understand the culture of their desired contributors if they choose to act like this, and marketing towards false stereotypes. The first rule of fandom is, do not try to profit from fanwork.
The first rule of fandom is, do not try to profit from fanwork.
Absolutely. It's the argument we've used for decades with writers who oppose fanfic. A licensed tie-in is one thing. But if they don't have permission from the copyright holders, they shouldn't be making money off of it.
I'm pretty floored by FanLib's approach to fandom and belief they can make money off fanfiction. Have you seen Chris Williams' response to the fans' questions?
2007-05-25 08:39 pm (UTC)
That recent rumor going around about LJ getting rid of wincest-friendly users? So very not true.
I know your departure from some communities has been taken by some people as support of the rumor that's going around about LJ being under pressure to crack down on Wincest-friendly journals. The rumor can't be true.
2007-05-25 09:28 pm (UTC)
Re: That recent rumor going around about LJ getting rid of wincest-friendly users? So very not true.
Yep. I added it to this post and made a separate post linking to yours.
I really ought to have thought about the content in my LJ when I heard this was linked to by Henry Jenkins and then from him to BBC. But all that traffic would have been yesterday.
Still, right below this post was a link to some steamy hot Wincest, a slavefic SGA story....
Excellent summary of the whole sordid business. Thanks for compiling!
I've noticed you're very interested in their "recruiting"-policy from reading the comments.
So here's my personal experience which makes it even more mysterious: I got an email-invite too for their Beta-Phase. I've never been in their fannish-front-person's fandoms (to the extent of not even having seen an ep of Supernatural and SGA!), but stranger still: I don't even write (fiction + outside of work)! Aside from a few HP-drabbles, about 2 fest-fics in register-only environments in the last several years I'm contributing solely as fan-artist. I draw. So they couldn't have gotten to me via quantity (that 30plus fics mark, even if pure crap from the pit) nor fanatic following in the form of squeeing fangirls due to my well-known gripping epics or nebulous BNF-status... I was pretty mystified when I received the initial invite for that reason alone. ^_^
Oh. It looks my response to you yesterday didn't post. This is hilarious. This adds an element of randomness to their selection that's just... *laughs* Do you draw for the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings fandom? (Also, is your icon by you? Because if so, you're pretty good.)
Icarus (still laughing)
Thanks for that great summary. Well done!
Thanks. This is just compiled from various metafandom
posts. Now I'm waiting for the next wave of response to Chris Williams' answers in Henry Jenkins' blog.
i can see the allure.
Luckily, I'm a fandom nobody. ;P
i had absolutely no clue about any of this.
It's beginning to look like they harvested emails from all over with very little pattern or sense. aragorn_san
above tells me that s/he doesn't even write fanfiction and was invited. *throws hands up*
2007-05-26 07:50 am (UTC)
just heard about this in one of my groups. The bastids!
I'm a member there, but I'm just cybersquatting on my name. I think quite a few people are doing the same.
your article is a great one. thank you for so many sources too... :)
You're welcome. Mostly this is a summary of the metafandom
response to FanLib. :)